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		<title>Comment on How to drive more traffic to your web site&#8230; by Robin Öberg</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2009/01/15/how-to-drive-more-traffic-to-your-web-site/#comment-3006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Öberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 09:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How much more?&quot; Seven.

Seven what? ...and you&#039;re back to quality :)
Quantities have no value without quality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How much more?&#8221; Seven.</p>
<p>Seven what? &#8230;and you&#8217;re back to quality <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Quantities have no value without quality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mapping four-fold conceptual schemes onto Grid-Group Cultural Theory by Robin Öberg</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2009/06/03/mapping-four-fold-conceptual-schemes-onto-grid-group-cultural-theory/#comment-3001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Öberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 21:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haha, so, what&#039;s the anwer? What makes some overlaying maps ok while others seem absurd?

It&#039;s an honest question, seeing as I&#039;m probably doing the same right now. Equating vertical social control with Grid, and horisontal social control with Group.

What criteria should we follow to determine if it&#039;s ok to overlay two fourfold models? Obviously, they should match in ideology somehow. Had I reversed it, and said that horisontal social control is like Grid, then it would have made no sense.

As for Heidegger&#039;s model, if it works as a twofold model, there&#039;s no point in making it into a fourfold model. Ockham&#039;s Razor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha, so, what&#8217;s the anwer? What makes some overlaying maps ok while others seem absurd?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an honest question, seeing as I&#8217;m probably doing the same right now. Equating vertical social control with Grid, and horisontal social control with Group.</p>
<p>What criteria should we follow to determine if it&#8217;s ok to overlay two fourfold models? Obviously, they should match in ideology somehow. Had I reversed it, and said that horisontal social control is like Grid, then it would have made no sense.</p>
<p>As for Heidegger&#8217;s model, if it works as a twofold model, there&#8217;s no point in making it into a fourfold model. Ockham&#8217;s Razor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grid-Group Cultural Theory: a way of trying not to fool yourself? by Robin Öberg</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2009/01/15/grid-group-cultural-theory-a-way-of-trying-not-to-fool-yourself/#comment-2997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Öberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to denis duclos here: They are not mediations, because grid and group are not the same thing, neither are they part of the same thing. Full Grid does not mean anything for the Group, no Group does not mean anything for the Grid.

I noticed this myself down here in Kenya, when studying witchcraft. On a two-fold model, both ends of the axis were both &quot;empty&quot; at the same time.

You can compare it with Claude Levi-Strauss binary oppositions, where each pair of oppositions form a unity to which there is another opposition.

There is a need for a second axis, to accurately describe how people perceive the world. If people are neither libertarians nor communitarians, which is the opposition to these two? Because, in a four-fold view, you have four oppositions, not two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to denis duclos here: They are not mediations, because grid and group are not the same thing, neither are they part of the same thing. Full Grid does not mean anything for the Group, no Group does not mean anything for the Grid.</p>
<p>I noticed this myself down here in Kenya, when studying witchcraft. On a two-fold model, both ends of the axis were both &#8220;empty&#8221; at the same time.</p>
<p>You can compare it with Claude Levi-Strauss binary oppositions, where each pair of oppositions form a unity to which there is another opposition.</p>
<p>There is a need for a second axis, to accurately describe how people perceive the world. If people are neither libertarians nor communitarians, which is the opposition to these two? Because, in a four-fold view, you have four oppositions, not two.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Cultural Theory predict its own rejection? by Susan Kirk (@SusanAKirk)</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/05/15/does-cultural-theory-predict-its-own-rejection/#comment-2980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kirk (@SusanAKirk)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 20:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, interesting reading : ) I&#039;m stuck here. Cultural theory used to determine perception of risk? or used to determine if the determination of risk was appropriate? Let alone the question which sounds like &lt;a&gt; Gobbledygook &lt;/a&gt; to me.  Not sure if this can take html tags will soon find out I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, interesting reading : ) I&#8217;m stuck here. Cultural theory used to determine perception of risk? or used to determine if the determination of risk was appropriate? Let alone the question which sounds like <a> Gobbledygook </a> to me.  Not sure if this can take html tags will soon find out I guess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on Questions about Grid-Group Theory by riskviews</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/04/23/more-on-questions-about-grid-group-theory/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[riskviews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 21:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would guess that Grid-Group Theory would predict that it would not itself be widely accepted.  
In fact, I belive that if it WERE widely accepted, then that would prove it false.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would guess that Grid-Group Theory would predict that it would not itself be widely accepted.<br />
In fact, I belive that if it WERE widely accepted, then that would prove it false.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on Questions about Grid-Group Theory by dmk38</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/04/23/more-on-questions-about-grid-group-theory/#comment-2915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmk38]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that Sun-Ki Chai is an excellent, &amp; multifaceted, scholar. He has written on the use of attitudinal scales based on CT for cross-cultural studies of cognition &amp; has at least one published study that uses cultural theory classifications to assess behavior in experimental game theory (Chai, S.-K., Dorj, D., Hampton, K. &amp; Liu, M. The Role of Culture in Public Goods and Other Experiments. PS: Political Science &amp; Politics 44, 740-744 (2011)). I was not aware that he had developed a method for characterizing on-line communities with Group-Grid -- it&#039;s to learn important things like this that I read Fourcultures blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Sun-Ki Chai is an excellent, &amp; multifaceted, scholar. He has written on the use of attitudinal scales based on CT for cross-cultural studies of cognition &amp; has at least one published study that uses cultural theory classifications to assess behavior in experimental game theory (Chai, S.-K., Dorj, D., Hampton, K. &amp; Liu, M. The Role of Culture in Public Goods and Other Experiments. PS: Political Science &amp; Politics 44, 740-744 (2011)). I was not aware that he had developed a method for characterizing on-line communities with Group-Grid &#8212; it&#8217;s to learn important things like this that I read Fourcultures blog!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some questions about Grid-Group Cultural Theory by dmk38</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/04/21/some-questions-about-grid-group-cultural-theory/#comment-2913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmk38]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I was clipped to point of being flip...

On 2: It&#039;s pretty clear that mainstream political science, e.g., does *not* take culture theory very seriously. This is about 30% fault of mainstream, in my view, and about 70% the fault of CT writers for failing to make sufficient effort to connect to mainstream  conversations by showing those involved what CT can add. Exception would be Perri 6, who does great work on institutional dynamics &amp; is also very thoughtful about methods &amp; mechanisms, &amp; Hank Jenkins-Smith, who is following through on Wildavsky&#039;s idea that GG explains formation of policy preferences.

In the study of risk perception, I think CT ideas &amp; concepts are reasonably prominent. But this is so only for work using reliable &amp; valid forms of empirical methods to test CT. There is a lot of writing on risk issues that uses CT for idiosyncratic &amp; ad hoc story telling. Ones that purport to see worldviews in &quot;institutions&quot; rather than people, in particular, tend not to get much attention b/c of the ill-specified &amp; mysterious account of mechanisms. Douglas &amp; Wildavsky were aware of and fought to overcome resistance to functionalist theorizing; their descendants just ignore this matter &amp; so are ignored.

On 3: my answer reflects  response to 2. Works that classify organizations using GG tend to be very impressionistic, undisciplined, indeed, insusceptible of testing. There *are* actually lots of interesting, methodologically &amp; conceptually coherent analyses that assess relationship between group ideology &amp; structure of on-line activities. See, e.g., Shaw, A. &amp; Benkler, Y. A Tale of Two Blogospheres. American Behavioral Scientist 56, 459-487 (2012). (Perri 6 also has a very good book on &quot;e-governance&quot;: 6, P. E-governance : styles of political judgement in the information age polity, (Palgrave Macmillan, Houndmills, Basingstoke, Hawpshire; New York, 2004)). Group-grid might make nice contribution here but only if researchers develop reliable &amp; valid criteria for classification &amp; explain what GG so conceived can do that alternatives can&#039;t (something that researchers using empirical methods to apply CT to risk perceptions *have* been mindful to do).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was clipped to point of being flip&#8230;</p>
<p>On 2: It&#8217;s pretty clear that mainstream political science, e.g., does *not* take culture theory very seriously. This is about 30% fault of mainstream, in my view, and about 70% the fault of CT writers for failing to make sufficient effort to connect to mainstream  conversations by showing those involved what CT can add. Exception would be Perri 6, who does great work on institutional dynamics &amp; is also very thoughtful about methods &amp; mechanisms, &amp; Hank Jenkins-Smith, who is following through on Wildavsky&#8217;s idea that GG explains formation of policy preferences.</p>
<p>In the study of risk perception, I think CT ideas &amp; concepts are reasonably prominent. But this is so only for work using reliable &amp; valid forms of empirical methods to test CT. There is a lot of writing on risk issues that uses CT for idiosyncratic &amp; ad hoc story telling. Ones that purport to see worldviews in &#8220;institutions&#8221; rather than people, in particular, tend not to get much attention b/c of the ill-specified &amp; mysterious account of mechanisms. Douglas &amp; Wildavsky were aware of and fought to overcome resistance to functionalist theorizing; their descendants just ignore this matter &amp; so are ignored.</p>
<p>On 3: my answer reflects  response to 2. Works that classify organizations using GG tend to be very impressionistic, undisciplined, indeed, insusceptible of testing. There *are* actually lots of interesting, methodologically &amp; conceptually coherent analyses that assess relationship between group ideology &amp; structure of on-line activities. See, e.g., Shaw, A. &amp; Benkler, Y. A Tale of Two Blogospheres. American Behavioral Scientist 56, 459-487 (2012). (Perri 6 also has a very good book on &#8220;e-governance&#8221;: 6, P. E-governance : styles of political judgement in the information age polity, (Palgrave Macmillan, Houndmills, Basingstoke, Hawpshire; New York, 2004)). Group-grid might make nice contribution here but only if researchers develop reliable &amp; valid criteria for classification &amp; explain what GG so conceived can do that alternatives can&#8217;t (something that researchers using empirical methods to apply CT to risk perceptions *have* been mindful to do).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some questions about Grid-Group Cultural Theory by dmk38</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/04/21/some-questions-about-grid-group-cultural-theory/#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmk38]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. I hope not...

2. Generally unknown; viewed with skepticism generally

3. Sure, but not by criteria that are reliable &amp; valid (i.e., ones that others could apply consistently &amp; that admit of measurement suitable for testing hypotheses)

Answers 2 &amp; 3 are very much related]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I hope not&#8230;</p>
<p>2. Generally unknown; viewed with skepticism generally</p>
<p>3. Sure, but not by criteria that are reliable &amp; valid (i.e., ones that others could apply consistently &amp; that admit of measurement suitable for testing hypotheses)</p>
<p>Answers 2 &amp; 3 are very much related</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do People play the Lottery? by Robin Öberg</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/01/31/why-do-people-play-the-lottery/#comment-2769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Öberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We can categorise people into neat boxes, and they might not agree. But, assuming the categories are real, how do people become fatalist/hierarchical and so forth?

Just saying people gamble because they are a type of person doesnt really answer the question. Its functionalism. We might aswell do it the other way around. We see certain people as a type of person because they gamble.

We need something more, to prove the causality in this correlation. If its true ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can categorise people into neat boxes, and they might not agree. But, assuming the categories are real, how do people become fatalist/hierarchical and so forth?</p>
<p>Just saying people gamble because they are a type of person doesnt really answer the question. Its functionalism. We might aswell do it the other way around. We see certain people as a type of person because they gamble.</p>
<p>We need something more, to prove the causality in this correlation. If its true <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Everything’s Intentional by dmk38</title>
		<link>http://fourcultures.com/2012/02/06/everythings-intentional/#comment-2717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmk38]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[too easy: the word is &quot;intentional.&quot;
:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too easy: the word is &#8220;intentional.&#8221; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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